Not fakes or frauds but poor quality and the customer service reps do not want to discuss issues you are having. They even make you pay to ship their defective out of the box products to the. I have had 3 and two have had issues. One with the processing chip and one with the mount. I've had Surefire for years and never an issue, even on higher recoiling rifles and shotguns. I have noticed several prominent trainers have moved away from their products. Food for thought.