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#824893 - 12/07/14 12:34 PM Alexandria PD targeting gun owners!!!
Agent19 Offline
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Registered: 01/12/09
Posts: 3679
Loc: VA
City or County: 22973
VA-ALERT: ACTION ITEM: Alexandria PD targeting gun owners!


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The Alexandria police department has its officers going business to business, providing a flyer with **misinformation** on Virginia’s gun laws, targeting mostly open carry.

Unfortunately for the police, a VCDL member was present when they came into a restaurant this morning, handed a flyer to the owner, and chatted with the owner for a few minutes.

Afterward, the restaurant owner showed the VCDL member the flyer and said that the police told him that he didn’t have to allow open carry and if he saw somebody doing so, he could call the police!

While true - a business owner can call the police to enforce a trespass charge - it is certainly out of the ordinary for the police come into a business out of the blue and encourage a business owner to infringe on his customer's civil liberties.

The flyer particularly endangers 18 to 20 year olds as it incorrectly tells a store owner that if they see someone under 21-years-old with a handgun on their hip, that is illegal! That is NOT true and having the police show up on a bogus “man with a gun” call endangers everyone unnecessarily.

The flyer also makes these other FALSE claims about the law, which again could lead to unnecessary man-with-a-gun calls to the police:

* Open carry is not legal in churches

* Open carry is not legal in government buildings (we’ll show that’s not true when we flood their city hall on Saturday, December 13th - see below).

The flyer makes a point of saying that sometimes gun owners hold “demonstrations or events” to raise awareness of the constitutional right to keep and bear arms and those events “may cause alarm” and to call the police if the store owner sees “anything suspicious or of concern."

Aside from the blatant falsehoods, the flyer appears designed to demonize lawful open carry and to confuse and scare the business into calling the police to confront law-abiding gun owners. It does this by citing laws regarding reckless gun handling to paint a frightening image of gun owners brandishing and shooting up his establishment!

The police, of all people, should NOT mislead the public or actively seek to create a chilling effect on the exercise of civil liberties.

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You can see a copy of the offending flyer by clicking here:

https://vcdl.org/sites/default/files/Alexandria_Flyer.jpg


ACTION ITEMS

1. So openly carried guns aren’t allowed in government buildings? Let’s flood City Hall with gun owners wearing “Guns Save Lives” stickers on Saturday, December 13th from 9:30 AM to 10 AM during the public comment
period. I will certainly be open carrying to make the point that it is NOT illegal and hopefully educate the police at the same time. I will also address City Council about the egregiousness of the police targeting law-abiding gun owners exercising their right to openly carry handguns.

Address:

City Hall
Council Chamber
301 King Street
Alexandria, VA 22314

A big turnout would send a strong message that Virginia gun owners do not appreciate being discriminated against or having the police disseminating blatantly false, misleading, and inflammatory information to the public on gun laws.

2. Let’s also flood City Council with webmail. Click here:

http://request.alexandriava.gov/CCC/#tab...rvice=CNC_GROUP

or

http://tinyurl.com/lglaus8

Suggested comment:

The Alexandria police are providing false, misleading, and inflammatory flyers to businesses about gun owners openly carrying handguns. It is not the role of the police to foment public bias against gun owners. Direct the police department to stop handing out the offending flyers and spend their time looking for criminals instead of encouraging unnecessary confrontations with law-abiding citizens who are doing nothing more than exercising an important civil right.

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If you are planning on attending the City Council hearing, respond to this and let me know. Thanks!


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#825342 - 12/08/14 11:41 AM Re: Alexandria PD targeting gun owners!!! [Re: Agent19]
Agent19 Offline
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Registered: 01/12/09
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Loc: VA
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VA-ALERT: VCDL Update 12/8/14‏

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2. More on Alexandria
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So far we have 21 people who said they are coming to the Alexandria City Council hearing on Saturday. Not bad considering the alert went out on Saturday at 10 PM. Hopefully we can get more to come as the date nears.

BTW, here is a link to a copy of the incendiary flyer directly from the Alexandria Police Department's web site (thanks to member Charles Winkler for the link):

http://alexandriava.gov/uploadedFiles/police/info/OPEN%20CARRY%20VA.pdf

The Alexandria PD responded with an attempt to cover their exposed derričre:

"This flyer was provided to businesses in the area of a possible open carry demonstration to inform people of Virginia Law regarding open carry, and it summaries (sic) open carry in the Commonwealth. The flyer actually widens the number of people who now know about Virginia open carry so they are not alarmed about the sight of firearms in public. APD advocates that if anyone is concerned about any situation they call the non-emergency number."

NO. Thanks to those flyers, the number of people who are now MISINFORMED about Virginia gun laws has INCREASED! Those who read it are now less knowledgeable for having done so.

And what did open carry education have to do with shooting guns into a building?

Oh, and we have another issue which is now being pursued: the Alexandria Police Department's headquarters has an illegal "no guns" sign! Stay tuned...
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#825815 - 12/09/14 11:46 AM Re: Alexandria PD targeting gun owners!!! [Re: Agent19]
Ali Offline
Gun fool

Registered: 01/08/12
Posts: 1061
Loc: VA, USA
City or County: Fairfax
I can attend.
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#826735 - 12/11/14 09:10 AM VA-ALERT: Alexandria PD doubles-down on illegal "no guns" sign‏ [Re: Agent19]
Agent19 Offline
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Registered: 01/12/09
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I'll say this, VCDL, you certainly got Alexandria's attention with the hundreds (the value they used) of phone calls and emails!

But there's good news and bad news relative to the City of Alexandria and WE STILL NEED TO BE AT THE HEARING on Saturday morning.

THE GOOD NEWS FIRST

The Alexandria Police Department has accepted responsibility and totally redone their flyer, providing this explanation:

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OPEN CARRY :: Last week, the Alexandria Police Department distributed a
flyer regarding open carry laws in the Commonwealth of Virginia. The flyer
was developed to inform Alexandria residents about the rights of people to
open carry in Virginia. It was also developed to alleviate concerns that we
received from the public regarding open carry in Alexandria. APD received
feedback expressing concern about the original document. After a careful
review, APD has issued a new flyer to provide awareness to this issue.

The Alexandria Police Department fully supports people exercising their
rights under Virginia law and we appreciate the public’s assistance and
feedback on this issue. Our initial effort in providing accurate information
fell short of our community’s expectations. We regret having put out
information that may have confused, misinformed or implied that our department was
somehow trying to target law-abiding citizens.

We fully recognize that our success is directly related to the strong
relationship we have with our community. This instance is a great example of
the public helping us when we misstep and the Department listening to
constructive feedback. It is this type of relationship that will elevate the public
’s trust in our ability to serve them with objectivity, fairness and
according to the Constitution and the laws we swore an oath to protect.

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This is their NEW flyer:

http://alexandriava.gov/uploadedFiles/police/info/OPEN%20CARRY%20VA.pdf



NOW THE BAD NEWS

Two major problems that remain. The first problem is why was the original flyer created in the first place, especially with the inflammatory wording that was used?

The second problem is that while the police department says (above), "...the Alexandria Police Department fully supports people exercising their rights under Virginia law...," what the PD REALLY means is that they support citizens exercising their right to keep and bear arms as long as it is NOT in THEIR police department buildings!

Ladies and gentlemen, that "no guns" sign on the PD's door is flat-out ILLEGAL under 15.2-915.

Here is a link to the sign (thanks to EM Ed Levine for the link):

http://edsfiles.us/images/cityofalexpd.jpg

The City Attorney's office is saying the sign is going to stay. Why? Well, because THEY SAY SO, of course, silly!

Good luck with that, Alexandria.

Right now we have more than 35 gun owners who have told me they will be at the Alexandria hearing THIS Saturday, December 13, at 9:30 AM.

We need a good turnout to send these two messages:

1. Alexandria, we're glad you fixed that horrible flyer. Please make sure that all businesses who received the old flyer get a copy of the new one. Oh, and don't disseminate any more gun-law flyers in the future, please.

2. The "no guns" sign on the PD door is ILLEGAL. It needs to be removed immediately or VCDL will take the City to court under a violation of Virginia's firearms preemption laws. After we win, the sign will come down anyhow, but the City will end up paying VCDL's legal fees, as provided for under the preemption law.

For those wishing to attend, here is the address for the hearing again:

City Hall
Council Chamber
301 King Street
Alexandria, VA 22314

I plan to be at the hearing early to hand out "Guns Save Lives" stickers to the attending gun owners and to present the City Council with VCDL Carry Cards that CORRECTLY report where one can & cannot carry. We'll initially gather inside the front doors, or if that isn't possible, either outside the hearing room or outside the front doors, worst case. As a local government building, carry is allowed if you so choose.

NOTE: VCDL provides VCDL Carry Cards FREE to other police departments throughout the Commonwealth. It's a shame that the Alexandria Police Department is not yet on the distribution for these informational cards because it would have saved them a lot of embarrassment over their flawed flyer.

I look forward to seeing you there Saturday morning.


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VA-ALERT is a project of the Virginia Citizens Defense League, Inc.
(VCDL). VCDL is an all-volunteer, non-partisan grassroots organization
dedicated to defending the human rights of all Virginians. The Right to
Keep and Bear Arms is a fundamental human right.

VCDL web page: http://www.vcdl.org
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#842066 - 01/14/15 04:38 PM Re: VA-ALERT: Alexandria PD doubles-down on illegal "no guns" sign‏ [Re: Agent19]
kjohn1 Offline
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Registered: 11/10/12
Posts: 31
Loc: Virginia
City or County: Suffolk
Updates? Is the sign still up? How was the rally?
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