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#857071 - 02/13/15 08:49 PM PAhunter1986
SkyeSpy Offline
Marksman

Registered: 03/26/13
Posts: 300
Loc: Tidewater
City or County: Virginia Beach
I posted my FEG PA-63 for sale for $250 then lowered the price to $200. PAhunter1986 has been emailing me with various questions over the last week dickering over the price. My post is clear and my responses direct and to the point. There were 17 messages exchanged. We agree to a price ($200), a meeting location/time and date on Thursday. I provided him my information Thursday. Then today (Friday at lunch time) I receive a note asking if I was including ammo. I stated No. The post says nothing about adding ammo nor did any other correspondence request nor did I suggest including ammo. I receive an immediate response saying he is bailing out. I believe in honest negotiations and once a price is agreed to the bargain has been struck. Constant dickering after a price, meeting, time, and location is not honorable. After I stated I would leave negative feedback he sends a note saying "not even one magazine?"It's a laughable comment and in my mind I'm sure it was a bogus negotiation from the beginning from an individual who originally asked if I would take a Lowe's Gift Card (Like I was born yesterday.) My only positive comment is at least he didn't bail an hour before the meeting and waste my Saturday.

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#857089 - 02/13/15 09:35 PM Re: PAhunter1986 [Re: SkyeSpy]
BobVA Offline
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Registered: 03/13/11
Posts: 5787
Loc: Dale City, Virginia
City or County: Prince William
PM sent to PAhunter1986 inviting him to respond.

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#857180 - 02/14/15 07:36 AM Re: PAhunter1986 [Re: SkyeSpy]
PAhunter1986 Offline
9MM Makarov

Registered: 08/30/11
Posts: 85
Loc: Virginia
City or County: Suffolk
Alright let me start out by saying that this is a stupid reason to leave negative feedback, but I will say my piece. This guy is not a nice guy or easy to deal with. Very confrontational for example he told me where we were meeting and the time and never had the courtesy to ask if that was ok with me. I have done lots of good deals on this website with no problems and he accuses me of having multiple profiles which was the laughing matter (childish accusations)! I first offered him a Lowe's gift card because I have one. I don't think that's strange. But whatever you do don't negotiate with this guy because he will call it "dickering" even though I only offered $20 under his asking price! 17 messages is not a lot when dealing with a firearm when it was our only means of communication and all messages where under 5 words (see above about not being easy to deal with). Finally the deal breaker he never mentioned anything in his post about ammo so I asked. He said "No" (once again see above about not being easy to deal with) I simply asked for a full mag. Because 9MM Mak ammo is not easy to find especially where I live and can not simply drive to Bob's. So I told him 24 hours + before we were supposed to meet not like I waited till the day of. He did not even have a chance to mark it as SPF so he was not really serious about selling it in my mind. This guy is new to vaguntrader and in my opinion is just simply head hunting and I got the short end of the stick.
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#857199 - 02/14/15 08:28 AM Re: PAhunter1986 [Re: SkyeSpy]
SkyeSpy Offline
Marksman

Registered: 03/26/13
Posts: 300
Loc: Tidewater
City or County: Virginia Beach
This is the conversation. I believe in straight forward negotiations. I have removed my personal information from this dialog. I stated my lowest price, he accepted and we agreed to meet on a day time and location. The bargain has been struck. I did accuse him of multiple IDs as that is a strategy around here to negotiate a price.

02/11/15 | 06:56 AM PAhunter1986: 9MM Mak
Are you interested in a lowes gift card in trade?

02/11/15 | 07:02 AM SkyeSpy: 9MM Mak
Sorry, wish I had need for it. Cash is king here. Looking to buy something posted here and need the cash.

02/11/15 | 07:57 AM PAhunter1986: 9MM Mak
Ok let me see what i can do

02/12/15 | 12:01 PM PAhunter1986: 9MM Mak
Would you take $180 for it Saturday?

02/12/15 | 01:42 PM SkyeSpy: 9MM Mak
No, it's $200.

02/12/15 | 02:34 PM PAhunter1986: 9MM Mak
Ok i am interested. where could we meet on Saturday?

02/12/15 | 04:29 PM SkyeSpy: 9MM Mak
I'm in pungo. We can meet at the Kmart on general booth blvd near red mill neighborhood. Early am Sat best for me

02/12/15 | 06:22 PM PAhunter1986: 9MM Mak
Ok let me see what my boss(Aka wife) has for me that morning lol

02/12/15 | 06:29 PM PAhunter1986: 9MM Mak
We have a 1130 appointment on Saturday i could probably do it later like 1pm

02/12/15 | 06:34 PM SkyeSpy: 9MM Mak
1p is ok. Will see you there. I drive a Toyota

02/12/15 | 07:08 PM PAhunter1986: 9MM Mak
Ok i have a Va CCW permit, a Pa drivers license, a military ID and a copy of my orders that states i am stationed in Norfolk Va. Will that work for identification?

02/12/15 | 08:36 PM SkyeSpy: 9MM Mak
Yes military orders and ID and va CCW permit will work. I will give you a copy of the bill of sale as well.

02/13/15 | 12:13 AM PAhunter1986: 9MM Mak
Ok perfect. i will see you at 1pm Saturday. Do you have a number i can text you at if i am running late/early?

02/13/15 | 06:38 AM SkyeSpy: 9MM Mak
757-XXX

I'll see you Saturday.

02/13/15 | 11:57 AM PAhunter1986: 9MM Mak
Are you including any ammo?

02/13/15 | 12:56 PM SkyeSpy: 9MM Mak
No

02/13/15 | 01:15 PM PAhunter1986: 9MM Mak
Ok I think i will pass sorry

02/13/15 | 01:41 PM SkyeSpy: 9MM Mak
I will leave negative feedback. Thought this was a game. I'm sure you have multiple IDs here based on your notes.

02/13/15 | 02:04 PM PAhunter1986: 9MM Mak
I do not have multiple ID's I have had nothing but possotive feedback for 4 + years... good luck

02/13/15 | 02:05 PM PAhunter1986: 9MM Mak
Will you at least include a full mag?

02/13/15 | 02:11 PM PAhunter1986: 9MM Mak
PAhunter1986 has removed themself from this topic.

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#857204 - 02/14/15 08:53 AM Re: PAhunter1986 [Re: SkyeSpy]
PAhunter1986 Offline
9MM Makarov

Registered: 08/30/11
Posts: 85
Loc: Virginia
City or County: Suffolk
Strategy to negotiate price? Wow this website really has gone to crap. There it is for everyone to read and determine their own judgement thank you for posting this.
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#857355 - 02/14/15 01:24 PM Re: PAhunter1986 [Re: SkyeSpy]
LaserJock Offline
B * L * U * E

Registered: 11/21/08
Posts: 6257
Loc: NoVA 22192
City or County: NoVA 22192
Both sides have responded. Thread Is Closed.

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