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#908046 - 06/08/15 01:44 AM Re: HERE COMES GUN CONTROL [Re: VaGunTrader]
Coral Offline
Pea shooter

Registered: 05/21/13
Posts: 5
Loc: Woodbridge,VA 22193
City or County: Prince William
I lived In Washington state for 1 year (just moved back). I moved there right when Prop 594 got passed.For those who don't know about this here is the run down http://wagunresponsibility.org/about-594/ ( WARNING VERY LIBERAL: If you are enraged by liberal rederict do not follow link!)It was the most annoying thing. Most retailers have stopped honoring instore warranties, adopted "all sales final" policies and jack up the prices on used guns. You can still buy firearms from regular joes. However, you have to get a FFL to do a transfer ON ALL GUNS no exceptions. Most gun stores charge right around $50 for the transfer fee. Don't let this happen to VA. It's One of the most annoying gun laws ever passed.

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#909023 - 06/10/15 07:32 AM Re: HERE COMES GUN CONTROL [Re: cowboyt]
Paratus Offline
Addicted

Registered: 05/17/09
Posts: 573
Loc: Virginia
City or County: Appomattox
Originally Posted By: cowboyt
Originally Posted By: Quigley
Proud I live here just wish we could have a decent conservative governor again


A liberal governor would be fine with me as long as it's a real liberal, e. g. being pro-2A. McAuliffe is a "progressive".


Liberal, progressive, statist.......all the same, all a danger to our freedom.

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#918337 - 07/03/15 12:24 PM Re: HERE COMES GUN CONTROL [Re: VaGunTrader]
trottingturtle Offline
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Registered: 03/10/13
Posts: 21
Loc: United States
City or County: Richmond
I call him "The Gun Grabbing Governor". We'll all be better off when he's outta here. I just hope he doesn't go for a senator or congressman's job like all our previous govennors have done. He might pull it off with the transplant progressive liberals that's taken over the northern part of Our Commonwealth. That and he's one of Bloomberg's little minions who will do whatever it takes to get him into another office where he can continue his Progressive Gun Grabbing agenda.
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#920064 - 07/08/15 12:53 AM Re: HERE COMES GUN CONTROL [Re: VaGunTrader]
izymic Offline
Bolt action

Registered: 04/04/13
Posts: 152
Loc: NOVA
City or County: Fairfax
I just still cannot get how McAuliffe -- someone who never held a single elected position in his life, spent all his adult life being a political hack and fundraiser, carpet-bagged his residency in Virginia, and had zero understanding of the Virginia legislative process got elected.

That's what I'm still stuck on. Why didn't the sensible people get out and vote?

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#920089 - 07/08/15 05:55 AM Re: HERE COMES GUN CONTROL [Re: VaGunTrader]
MP3Mogul Offline
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Registered: 01/14/09
Posts: 6266
Loc: Salem, Virginia
City or County: Salem
Because dems give freebies away..... if you vote dem, you get freebies.
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#920097 - 07/08/15 07:02 AM Re: HERE COMES GUN CONTROL [Re: VaGunTrader]
Mark S Offline
Mark S

Registered: 04/29/10
Posts: 4038
Loc: Rappahannock County, VA
City or County: Front Royal
And because Cuccinelli rigged the process on the Rep side and it turned a lot of people off.

Cuccinelli was also the 'right winger Tea Party type' that the GOP establishment hates and the national party put virtually no money into the race. In a state like VA that will always be competitive it takes a good amount of $$$ to win and McAwful/Dems outspent Cuccinelli by more then 3-1.

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#920589 - 07/09/15 11:04 AM Re: HERE COMES GUN CONTROL [Re: izymic]
G8KeaPoR Offline
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Registered: 03/09/11
Posts: 4
Loc: Virginia
City or County: Fredericksburg
Well when your competition goes on about topics the supreme court settled years ago namely abortion. He pisses off the majority demographic in NOVA... being women. Women outnumber men in the north just so you know. Not to mention most college educated people cant stand hearing someone tout their faith as a qualification. Basically Cuccinelli aka cookynelli up here made himself look like a nut. Me I voted for neither as a form of protest because honestly both parties are crap but that is another discussion. As for him not knowing the legislation process in VA does that even matter? We elect presidents with less qualifications to hold the highest of offices.

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#920593 - 07/09/15 11:20 AM Re: HERE COMES GUN CONTROL [Re: trottingturtle]
G8KeaPoR Offline
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Registered: 03/09/11
Posts: 4
Loc: Virginia
City or County: Fredericksburg
Originally Posted By: trottingturtle
He might pull it off with the transplant progressive liberals that's taken over the northern part of Our Commonwealth.


Only someone from down south would think that.... This is why I have said for years that the state should split. However I do agree with you on we will be better off when he is gone.


Edited by G8KeaPoR (07/09/15 11:21 AM)

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#920607 - 07/09/15 11:53 AM Re: HERE COMES GUN CONTROL [Re: trottingturtle]
BobVA Offline
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Registered: 03/13/11
Posts: 5787
Loc: Dale City, Virginia
City or County: Prince William
Originally Posted By: trottingturtle
I call him "The Gun Grabbing Governor". We'll all be better off when he's outta here. I just hope he doesn't go for a senator or congressman's job like all our previous govennors have done. He might pull it off with the transplant progressive liberals that's taken over the northern part of Our Commonwealth. That and he's one of Bloomberg's little minions who will do whatever it takes to get him into another office where he can continue his Progressive Gun Grabbing agenda.


Get real tired of hearing this. Do some research on the last election results and compare NOVA to the Norfolk and other large VA metropolitan areas. NOW tell me that it is all "northern" VA that is the problem.

http://www.politico.com/2013-election/results/governor/virginia/

In the last Governors race Fredericksburg voted overwhelmingly for the Dems, as did that bastion of the South, Richmond City. By MUCH larger numbers/margins than the northern Prince William.
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#920656 - 07/09/15 02:31 PM Re: HERE COMES GUN CONTROL [Re: G8KeaPoR]
izymic Offline
Bolt action

Registered: 04/04/13
Posts: 152
Loc: NOVA
City or County: Fairfax
Originally Posted By: G8KeaPoR
Well when your competition goes on about Me I voted for neither as a form of protest because honestly both parties are crap but that is another discussion. As for him not knowing the legislation process in VA does that even matter? We elect presidents with less qualifications to hold the highest of offices.


^^^ this is a classic example of cutting off your nose to spite your face. why don't you just mail in your guns to governor's office and tell them it's a preemptive surrender?

seriously. it is far wiser to elect the imperfect, but closer to your values guy and then give him hell, than to deal with someone who is 180 deg opposite and hunker down.

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#920727 - 07/09/15 06:25 PM Re: HERE COMES GUN CONTROL [Re: VaGunTrader]
j1mmyd Offline
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Registered: 12/27/12
Posts: 11
Loc: NoVA
City or County: Arlington
Nothing emboldens them more than low voter turnout.
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#927765 - 07/27/15 08:51 AM Re: HERE COMES GUN CONTROL [Re: VaGunTrader]
Watercop Offline
WaterCop

Registered: 08/26/11
Posts: 70
Loc: Virginia
City or County: King and Queen County
we just need to watch closly what happens in Richmond.
Literally raide hell when they begin astray.
Historically politicians are not in it fur us.
If we could turn the system around, 5 year residential requirement to run for public office. Would be a good start.
there are portions of Northern va we could give to DC and not loose a thing. to include the Democratic infested Virginia Beach.
Give that to North Carolina.
Gess, what a grat thought.
Now I went and done it, huh.
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#941354 - 08/30/15 09:42 AM Re: HERE COMES GUN CONTROL [Re: Mark S]
Bailey151 Offline
Double barrel

Registered: 08/19/15
Posts: 67
Loc: Virginia
City or County: Woodbridge
Originally Posted By: Mark S
......Cuccinelli was also the 'right winger Tea Party type' that the GOP establishment hates......

Yep. They had better get a clue that the fringe candidate will NEVER win a general election. They can win in small areas where like minds (or lack thereof) congregate but they have zero mass appeal.

Kook-a-nelli doomed himself when he sued over the climate change thing - might as well tattooed "I'm a loony" on his forehead. That made him an "any-damn-body-else" candidate.

Sad part is the guy who could of won was forced out, he would have beaten the carpetbagger.
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#941650 - 08/30/15 09:53 PM Re: HERE COMES GUN CONTROL [Re: VaGunTrader]
chuckyzfr1 Offline
Bullseye

Registered: 04/19/09
Posts: 1619
Loc: Virginia
City or County: Richmond City
I've been reading stories in MSM sources that report that McD-bag is stumping for "common-sense" gun control, "universal background checks" and other such horse crap. Let me translate those buzzwords; banning MSR's and magazines greater than <insert arbitrary meaningless pinhead number> of rounds, banning "scary" attachments that they don't even understand such as barrel shrouds for shotguns and muzzle breaks for rifles, and banning private sales and a national registry of guns, and gun owners. Scared yet?
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#941780 - 08/31/15 10:49 AM Re: HERE COMES GUN CONTROL [Re: chuckyzfr1]
Bailey151 Offline
Double barrel

Registered: 08/19/15
Posts: 67
Loc: Virginia
City or County: Woodbridge
Originally Posted By: chuckyzfr1
..........banning "scary" attachments that they don't even understand........

Wouldn't that be the entire subject? They have no concept which is how they come up with silly manure like mag caps & other nonsense.

Where they really fall short is understanding human nature - they figure if we all just talk real nice the world will be rainbows & unicorns.
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#967252 - 11/07/15 10:12 AM Re: HERE COMES GUN CONTROL [Re: VaGunTrader]
Agent19 Offline
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Registered: 01/12/09
Posts: 3669
Loc: VA
City or County: 22973
PLEASE READ... and ACT..


VA-ALERT: ACTION ITEM: Newport News City's push for Chicago-style Gun Control

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This alert affects EVERYONE, not just the City of Newport News residents. So please read on and do at least the first action item.


STATEWIDE GUN CONTROL PUSH

I now have a copy of the Tuesday, November 10, agenda for the City of Newport News.

In the agenda is an item where City Council want the General Assembly to pass a gun-control scheme like they have in places like Illinois, Maryland, DC, New York, New Jersey, and California!

Do any of YOU want to live in ANY of those places?


BACKGROUND

Here are the key parts of a 160 page agenda that covers the issue of permits to possess a firearm, my comments are in square brackets:

13. Protect Virginians from Gun Violence - the City asked that the General Assembly protect Virginians from gun violence by adopting legislation to require a license to possess a firearm. [PVC: As you will see, their suggestion will increase crime, not reduce it. We don’t need a “nanny” government with a monopoly of power to “protect” us.]

Vice Mayor Coleman stated this was similar to what was already required for concealed weapons permits. He inquired whether the City could alleviate the requirement of a concealed weapons permit if one obtained a license to possess a firearm. Ms. Wilson believed that the process to obtain a concealed weapons permit would be streamlined if the legislation to require a license to possess a firearm was adopted. [PVC: Ms. Wilson doesn’t even know Virginia has a concealed HANDGUN permit and she is making predictions? The concealed carry permit harkens back to a time when the government wanted to keep minorities from carrying guns. Like all gun control, it has a shameful history. That said, a CHP deals with CARRYING a concealed handgun in public, not merely POSSESSING a handgun, rifle, or shotgun.]

Vice Mayor Coleman felt there was no point in having two permits. Ms. Wilson agreed, and felt the process would be streamlined to make it as simple as possible. [PVC: It would also mean that if a person couldn't qualify for a CHP, they couldn’t own any firearms at all.]

Councilwoman Cherry inquired whether a license for a firearm would truly reduce gun violence in Newport News. City Manager Bourey replied that studies, over a 20-year time period, had concluded that a permit requirement to own a firearm had resulted in a significant reduction in gun violence. He felt the requirement would make a huge difference. [PVC: WHAT studies is Bourey talking about? His prediction on a “significant reduction in ‘gun violence’" is so far from what would actually happen as to be laughable. Illinois has Universal Background Checks and requires that all purchasers have a permit to buy a gun, but 40 to 50 people are shot every weekend in Chicago. Is THAT what Bourey wants for Virginia?]

Vice Mayor Coleman felt the biggest advantage of the General Assembly approving the legislation would be to close the gun shows and secondary sale loop-hole where no current requirements existed. Someone who bought a gun at a gun show could turnaround and sell the gun to someone else, without any ownership requirements. Everyone would have to qualify for a permit under this proposal. [PVC: Yeah, I can just see criminals lining up to get a permit to buy a gun, because we know that criminals always obey the law. In Illinois 97% of the guns used in crime come either from the black market or through straw purchases. Illinois’s Universal Background Checks and permits to possess firearms both fail miserably to even slow down criminals. This is really a Universal Gun Owner Registration scheme.)]

Councilwoman Woodbury inquired about research regarding States that had implemented legislation to require a license to possess a firearm, and asked that the City Manager provide the information to City Council. City Manager Bourey stated he would provide the information to City
Council.

Councilwoman Woodbury recalled that guns had been banned in Washington, D.C.; however, the murder rate increased. Ms. Wilson stated that the State of New York had an outright handgun ban and all United States territories banned private gun ownership, which she had learned in her research. [PVC: I sure hope they are not seriously looking at Ms. Wilson as some kind of expert. She is wrong on all of this. Where did she research this? At the Violence Policy Center? It was Chicago, not the State of New York, that banned all handgun possession. All the United States territories banning private gun ownership? I’ll bet the people of Puerto Rico, Northern Marianas, American Samoa, Guam, and the Virgin Islands are shocked to hear of that one. Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, and Guam even have laws allowing concealed carry on a “may issue” basis. NONE have a ban on private ownership!]

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XIII. PROTECT VIRGINIANS FROM GUN VIOLENCE

Request:

The City of Newport News asks that the General Assembly protect Virginians from gun violence by adopting legislation to require a license to possess a firearm.

Justifcation

The City of Newport News is just one of many Virginia cities that are challenged by gun violence in the community. Eight years after the gun rampage at Virginia Tech in Blacksburg and only a few months after another shooting tragedy occurred in Roanoke, we continue to seek resources and remedies from lawmakers in Richmond or Washington. [PVC: NEITHER of those murders would have been stopped by a permit to possess a firearm, as both Cho and Flanagan passed a background check.] Putting political ideology aside, when we view gun violence as we would any other community issue, solutions can be found from what works in other places. [PVC: Good luck finding one where gun control works.] Almost always the debate on 2nd amendment rights drowns-out safety concerns. [PVC: Yes, freedom can get in the way of tyranny. Funny how that works.] That is exactly what should NOT happen. Public safety is a core function of government and finding solutions that protect the public while not infringing on the rights of responsible gun owners is critical for lawmakers. It is clear that a majority of Americans understand and want better protection from those who should not possess guns. [PVC: The City Council’s “safety concerns” seem to play down a person’s personal safety - their right to self-defense. Licenses to possess firearms would infringe on gun owners in a major way and would open gun owners up to future confiscations a la New York, Connecticut, and California. If we got rid of all gun control, we would all be a lot safer.]

Requiring all gun owners to possess a license would:

• Ensure that every person who purchases/possesses a gun has undergone a background check, thereby closing the "private sale loophole” [PVC: BALONEY! Criminals will not get a permit to possess. PERIOD. And there is no “private sale loophole.” That is just a fabrication designed to demonize the sale of firearms.]

• Confirm that gun owners remain eligible to possess firearms and facilitate the removal of firearms from people who have become ineligible [PVC: Who knows what “ineligible” will be in the future? The antis keep pushing for more and more things to make someone ineligible. I’m sure that breathing will be on that ineligibility list somewhere down the road. Here the City Council admits that confiscation would be both possible and a reality under this scheme.]

• Ensure that gun owners understand relevant firearms laws and know how to safely store and handle firearms [PVC: Intentional misuse of firearms is the problem. Problems with storage and handling are very rare. The proposed license to possess a firearm would not ensure that anyone knows firearm laws or how to safely store and handle firearms.]

• Help prevent trafficking of crime guns and make it more difficult for criminals, juveniles and other prohibited purchasers to obtain guns [PVC: This scheme won’t even slow down criminals and straw purchases will work just as well.]

Virginia currently requires a wide array of licenses and permits: driver's licenses, ABC licenses, hunting and fishing licenses, marriage licenses, business licenses, and even a permit to carry a concealed weapon, just to name a few. Licensing for gun owners has the potential to protect ALL Virginians and prevent needless gun violence. Newport News urges the General Assembly to adopt legislation to require a license to possess a firearm [PVC: When did we start licensing free speech and religion? Like both of those, the right to keep and bear arms is a RIGHT, not a privilege that is licensed. Did anybody on City Council ever take a civics class? Sure doesn’t look that way.]

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ACTION ITEM #1

We will work to kill this item in the General Assembly, but we need to let politicians who touch the third rail of gun control know that we are going to fight back. And that includes the Newport News City Council.

Since the City Council’s proposal is a STATEWIDE gun-control measure, I suggest ALL OF US respond to this threat to our rights by sending City Council an email!

Email address for all of City Council: council@nnva.gov

Suggested subject: OPPOSE the permit for firearm possession scheme!

Suggested message:

Newport News City Council,

I have just learned that the City Council is going to recommend that Virginia become just like Illinois, Maryland, and other high crime states, all of which have “permit to possess a firearm” laws.

Those permits don’t do anything to lower crime, as criminals don’t bother getting them. Criminals get guns from the black market (“the street”), by theft, or from straw purchasers who pass background checks before turning the guns over to the criminal.

Chicago, which has both Universal Background Checks and a permit to possess a firearm law, experiences 40 to 50 shootings every weekend! Southern Maryland has 4 TIMES and DC 8 TIMES the number of firearm-related murders as Northern Virginia according to a recent Washington Post article. Is that what you want for Virginia?

This proposal is bad for Virginia, defies Virginia’s Constitution, and I urge you to drop this item from your legislative packet.

Sincerely,
[YOUR NAME]

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ACTION ITEM #2

If you live in the general area of the City of Newport News, we need to flood the City Council Chamber with gun owners wearing Guns Save Lives stickers and to speak against the licensing scheme. Even if they don’t pull that item based on being flooded by emails, we still need to let them know what they are requesting is WRONG.

The meeting is at 7 PM on Tuesday, November 10th at:

City Council Chambers (behind City Hall)
2400 Washington Ave.
Newport News, VA 23607

Look for someone with GSL stickers and get one to wear. I’ll be there, will you?

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Many thanks to member Richard Thomas for his tenaciousness in going after the issue of the City pushing gun control and to Theresa Clift, with the Daily Press, for pointing Richard in the right direction.


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#967390 - 11/07/15 04:41 PM Re: HERE COMES GUN CONTROL [Re: Agent19]
6.5x55 Offline
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Registered: 12/09/08
Posts: 3976
Loc: Ashland
City or County: Hanover
VA law won't allow it to take affect
B. Any local ordinance, resolution or motion adopted prior to the effective date of this act governing the purchase, possession, transfer, ownership, carrying or transporting of firearms, ammunition, or components or combination thereof, other than those expressly authorized by statute, is invalid.
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#983034 - 12/17/15 07:25 AM Re: HERE COMES GUN CONTROL [Re: VaGunTrader]
ford_tough Offline
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Registered: 02/17/13
Posts: 18
Loc: Virginia
City or County: Purcellville
Gun control will be just as successful as drug control! The war on drugs, after decades and over $1 Trillion, does not prevent those not willing to obey the law from obtaining illegal drugs. Law breakers can buy and possess illegal drugs in any town (herion, crack, cocain, meth, etc.). These drugs are banned in the USA. Some law breakers also choose to manufacture these same drugs themselves and sell them. Why do the naive liberals think gun control will can keep guns from those not willing to obey the laws? Much more so than drug control, gun control leaves all law abiding citizens at much greater personal risk of violence.

So the gun control approach will be just as effective as drug control has been. In fact, if gun control worked convicted criminals and gangs would NOT presently posses guns because these laws are already in place.

Drug control has also NOT prevented the manufacture of meth and other drugs. Gun control would not keep those willing to ignore the law from manufacturing a firearm. In fact San Bernadino shows that even though pipe bombs are totally and completely controlled and 100% illegal, this did not stop the terrorists from manufacturing 19 pipe bombs. We are just lucky they choose to use the guns instead of the bombs on this first strike, otherwise MANY more deaths and injuries would have resulted.

As our founding father Mr. Franklin said, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." The problem is the intolerant liberals actually gain no security from gun control. in fact almost ALL mass killings in the US take place in gun free zones! (Paris as well).

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#983124 - 12/17/15 11:34 AM Re: HERE COMES GUN CONTROL [Re: VaGunTrader]
chuckyzfr1 Offline
Bullseye

Registered: 04/19/09
Posts: 1619
Loc: Virginia
City or County: Richmond City
Is anyone else concerned with the Executive Actions Obama is getting ready to unveil shortly?!...

I know I am.

I'm wondering if he'll have the temerity to attempt to institute a Federal ban on private transfers. Or even better, the inclusion of everyone on the Government's super secret no-fly list into the NICS background check registry. You might think "well I'm not a terrorist so I don't have anything to worry about" but consider this; if the O administration is successful in adding the no-fly list to NICS, how long before that list suddenly expands? Under Bush it was something like 47,000 and during Obama years it has expanded to over 700K - just think if they get a law or executive order passed that allows them to strip anyone of their 2nd Amdt rights based on that list!
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#983144 - 12/17/15 01:09 PM Re: HERE COMES GUN CONTROL [Re: VaGunTrader]
Mark S Offline
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Registered: 04/29/10
Posts: 4038
Loc: Rappahannock County, VA
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Actually, I hope he goes all in and forces Hillary! to go all in with him. I'd love to have an extremist gun control position have to be defended by the Dem candidate.

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#983745 - 12/18/15 10:47 PM Re: HERE COMES GUN CONTROL [Re: Agent19]
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Registered: 09/15/11
Posts: 6205
Loc: Various
City or County: Various
Originally Posted By: Agent19
PLEASE READ... and ACT..


VA-ALERT: ACTION ITEM: Newport News City's push for Chicago-style Gun Control

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Not yet a Virginia Citizens Defense League member? Join VCDL at: http://www.vcdl.org/join
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VCDL's meeting schedule: http://www.vcdl.org/meetings
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VA-ALERT archives: http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/727/=now
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This alert affects EVERYONE, not just the City of Newport News residents. So please read on and do at least the first action item.


STATEWIDE GUN CONTROL PUSH

I now have a copy of the Tuesday, November 10, agenda for the City of Newport News.

In the agenda is an item where City Council want the General Assembly to pass a gun-control scheme like they have in places like Illinois, Maryland, DC, New York, New Jersey, and California!

Do any of YOU want to live in ANY of those places?


BACKGROUND

Here are the key parts of a 160 page agenda that covers the issue of permits to possess a firearm, my comments are in square brackets:

13. Protect Virginians from Gun Violence - the City asked that the General Assembly protect Virginians from gun violence by adopting legislation to require a license to possess a firearm. [PVC: As you will see, their suggestion will increase crime, not reduce it. We don’t need a “nanny” government with a monopoly of power to “protect” us.]

Vice Mayor Coleman stated this was similar to what was already required for concealed weapons permits. He inquired whether the City could alleviate the requirement of a concealed weapons permit if one obtained a license to possess a firearm. Ms. Wilson believed that the process to obtain a concealed weapons permit would be streamlined if the legislation to require a license to possess a firearm was adopted. [PVC: Ms. Wilson doesn’t even know Virginia has a concealed HANDGUN permit and she is making predictions? The concealed carry permit harkens back to a time when the government wanted to keep minorities from carrying guns. Like all gun control, it has a shameful history. That said, a CHP deals with CARRYING a concealed handgun in public, not merely POSSESSING a handgun, rifle, or shotgun.]

Vice Mayor Coleman felt there was no point in having two permits. Ms. Wilson agreed, and felt the process would be streamlined to make it as simple as possible. [PVC: It would also mean that if a person couldn't qualify for a CHP, they couldn’t own any firearms at all.]

Councilwoman Cherry inquired whether a license for a firearm would truly reduce gun violence in Newport News. City Manager Bourey replied that studies, over a 20-year time period, had concluded that a permit requirement to own a firearm had resulted in a significant reduction in gun violence. He felt the requirement would make a huge difference. [PVC: WHAT studies is Bourey talking about? His prediction on a “significant reduction in ‘gun violence’" is so far from what would actually happen as to be laughable. Illinois has Universal Background Checks and requires that all purchasers have a permit to buy a gun, but 40 to 50 people are shot every weekend in Chicago. Is THAT what Bourey wants for Virginia?]

Vice Mayor Coleman felt the biggest advantage of the General Assembly approving the legislation would be to close the gun shows and secondary sale loop-hole where no current requirements existed. Someone who bought a gun at a gun show could turnaround and sell the gun to someone else, without any ownership requirements. Everyone would have to qualify for a permit under this proposal. [PVC: Yeah, I can just see criminals lining up to get a permit to buy a gun, because we know that criminals always obey the law. In Illinois 97% of the guns used in crime come either from the black market or through straw purchases. Illinois’s Universal Background Checks and permits to possess firearms both fail miserably to even slow down criminals. This is really a Universal Gun Owner Registration scheme.)]

Councilwoman Woodbury inquired about research regarding States that had implemented legislation to require a license to possess a firearm, and asked that the City Manager provide the information to City Council. City Manager Bourey stated he would provide the information to City
Council.

Councilwoman Woodbury recalled that guns had been banned in Washington, D.C.; however, the murder rate increased. Ms. Wilson stated that the State of New York had an outright handgun ban and all United States territories banned private gun ownership, which she had learned in her research. [PVC: I sure hope they are not seriously looking at Ms. Wilson as some kind of expert. She is wrong on all of this. Where did she research this? At the Violence Policy Center? It was Chicago, not the State of New York, that banned all handgun possession. All the United States territories banning private gun ownership? I’ll bet the people of Puerto Rico, Northern Marianas, American Samoa, Guam, and the Virgin Islands are shocked to hear of that one. Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, and Guam even have laws allowing concealed carry on a “may issue” basis. NONE have a ban on private ownership!]

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XIII. PROTECT VIRGINIANS FROM GUN VIOLENCE

Request:

The City of Newport News asks that the General Assembly protect Virginians from gun violence by adopting legislation to require a license to possess a firearm.

Justifcation

The City of Newport News is just one of many Virginia cities that are challenged by gun violence in the community. Eight years after the gun rampage at Virginia Tech in Blacksburg and only a few months after another shooting tragedy occurred in Roanoke, we continue to seek resources and remedies from lawmakers in Richmond or Washington. [PVC: NEITHER of those murders would have been stopped by a permit to possess a firearm, as both Cho and Flanagan passed a background check.] Putting political ideology aside, when we view gun violence as we would any other community issue, solutions can be found from what works in other places. [PVC: Good luck finding one where gun control works.] Almost always the debate on 2nd amendment rights drowns-out safety concerns. [PVC: Yes, freedom can get in the way of tyranny. Funny how that works.] That is exactly what should NOT happen. Public safety is a core function of government and finding solutions that protect the public while not infringing on the rights of responsible gun owners is critical for lawmakers. It is clear that a majority of Americans understand and want better protection from those who should not possess guns. [PVC: The City Council’s “safety concerns” seem to play down a person’s personal safety - their right to self-defense. Licenses to possess firearms would infringe on gun owners in a major way and would open gun owners up to future confiscations a la New York, Connecticut, and California. If we got rid of all gun control, we would all be a lot safer.]

Requiring all gun owners to possess a license would:

• Ensure that every person who purchases/possesses a gun has undergone a background check, thereby closing the "private sale loophole” [PVC: BALONEY! Criminals will not get a permit to possess. PERIOD. And there is no “private sale loophole.” That is just a fabrication designed to demonize the sale of firearms.]

• Confirm that gun owners remain eligible to possess firearms and facilitate the removal of firearms from people who have become ineligible [PVC: Who knows what “ineligible” will be in the future? The antis keep pushing for more and more things to make someone ineligible. I’m sure that breathing will be on that ineligibility list somewhere down the road. Here the City Council admits that confiscation would be both possible and a reality under this scheme.]

• Ensure that gun owners understand relevant firearms laws and know how to safely store and handle firearms [PVC: Intentional misuse of firearms is the problem. Problems with storage and handling are very rare. The proposed license to possess a firearm would not ensure that anyone knows firearm laws or how to safely store and handle firearms.]

• Help prevent trafficking of crime guns and make it more difficult for criminals, juveniles and other prohibited purchasers to obtain guns [PVC: This scheme won’t even slow down criminals and straw purchases will work just as well.]

Virginia currently requires a wide array of licenses and permits: driver's licenses, ABC licenses, hunting and fishing licenses, marriage licenses, business licenses, and even a permit to carry a concealed weapon, just to name a few. Licensing for gun owners has the potential to protect ALL Virginians and prevent needless gun violence. Newport News urges the General Assembly to adopt legislation to require a license to possess a firearm [PVC: When did we start licensing free speech and religion? Like both of those, the right to keep and bear arms is a RIGHT, not a privilege that is licensed. Did anybody on City Council ever take a civics class? Sure doesn’t look that way.]

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ACTION ITEM #1

We will work to kill this item in the General Assembly, but we need to let politicians who touch the third rail of gun control know that we are going to fight back. And that includes the Newport News City Council.

Since the City Council’s proposal is a STATEWIDE gun-control measure, I suggest ALL OF US respond to this threat to our rights by sending City Council an email!

Email address for all of City Council: council@nnva.gov

Suggested subject: OPPOSE the permit for firearm possession scheme!

Suggested message:

Newport News City Council,

I have just learned that the City Council is going to recommend that Virginia become just like Illinois, Maryland, and other high crime states, all of which have “permit to possess a firearm” laws.

Those permits don’t do anything to lower crime, as criminals don’t bother getting them. Criminals get guns from the black market (“the street”), by theft, or from straw purchasers who pass background checks before turning the guns over to the criminal.

Chicago, which has both Universal Background Checks and a permit to possess a firearm law, experiences 40 to 50 shootings every weekend! Southern Maryland has 4 TIMES and DC 8 TIMES the number of firearm-related murders as Northern Virginia according to a recent Washington Post article. Is that what you want for Virginia?

This proposal is bad for Virginia, defies Virginia’s Constitution, and I urge you to drop this item from your legislative packet.

Sincerely,
[YOUR NAME]

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ACTION ITEM #2

If you live in the general area of the City of Newport News, we need to flood the City Council Chamber with gun owners wearing Guns Save Lives stickers and to speak against the licensing scheme. Even if they don’t pull that item based on being flooded by emails, we still need to let them know what they are requesting is WRONG.

The meeting is at 7 PM on Tuesday, November 10th at:

City Council Chambers (behind City Hall)
2400 Washington Ave.
Newport News, VA 23607

Look for someone with GSL stickers and get one to wear. I’ll be there, will you?

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Many thanks to member Richard Thomas for his tenaciousness in going after the issue of the City pushing gun control and to Theresa Clift, with the Daily Press, for pointing Richard in the right direction.


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#983855 - 12/19/15 09:17 AM Re: HERE COMES GUN CONTROL [Re: Cash is King]
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Originally Posted By: Cash is King
Originally Posted By: Agent19
PLEASE READ... and ACT..


VA-ALERT: ACTION ITEM: Newport News City's push for Chicago-style Gun Control



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Thanks for the kind words.
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UPDATE: I forgot to post in a timely fashion
Victory! VCDL convinces Newport News to drop gun control agenda
http://vcdl.org/node/1130
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#984231 - 12/20/15 08:17 AM Re: HERE COMES GUN CONTROL [Re: chuckyzfr1]
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Originally Posted By: chuckyzfr1
Is anyone else concerned with the Executive Actions Obama is getting ready to unveil shortly?!...

I know I am.

I'm wondering if he'll have the temerity to attempt to institute a Federal ban on private transfers. Or even better, the inclusion of everyone on the Government's super secret no-fly list into the NICS background check registry. You might think "well I'm not a terrorist so I don't have anything to worry about" but consider this; if the O administration is successful in adding the no-fly list to NICS, how long before that list suddenly expands? Under Bush it was something like 47,000 and during Obama years it has expanded to over 700K - just think if they get a law or executive order passed that allows them to strip anyone of their 2nd Amdt rights based on that list!


Many have been worried about BHOs' "Executive Actions" for some time. In his mind, if Congress will not pass a law, that somehow gives him the authority to legislate from the Oval Office. Barry has the dubious distinction of running the biggest criminal administration in my memory. IF history is truthful he would be seated in the Worst Presidents section along with Lincoln, Wilson, FDR just to name a few. Perhaps he should be charged with engaging in an ongoing criminal enterprise (if such a charge exists) or prosecuted under a RICO statute. In fact, the entire Democrat party arguably should be charged under RICO statutes.
Regarding the "No Fly List", consider this: a person can be placed on this without due process and with no redress. Someone explain to me how this is Constitutional as though that document was not dead. IF he pens such a missive prohibiting face to face sales it should be ignored. Marylands' ftf ban was, and may still be, routinely ignored. Jury nullification should rule if anyone is charged.

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#984974 - 12/22/15 07:25 AM Re: HERE COMES GUN CONTROL [Re: Agent19]
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Originally Posted By: Agent19
Originally Posted By: Cash is King
PLEASE READ... and ACT..


VA-ALERT: ACTION ITEM: Newport News City's push for Chicago-style Gun Control


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Community Wake up!!!!



December 22 ADD to the story:

THE MEAN-SPIRITED ATTACK ON CHP HOLDERS CONTINUES - THIS TIME WHEN TRAVELING OUT OF STATE

The Virginia Attorney General, Mark Herring, a member of the Party of Gun Control, has decided to expand the attack on concealed handgun permit holders that was started by Governor McAuliffe. What Herring and McAuliffe can’t get done through the General Assembly, they will get by abusing their elected positions.

Herring had an “audit” performed on the states whose permits are honored in Virginia and has decided (surprise, surprise) that two-dozen of those states don’t meet the “standards" required.

The two-dozen states will have their recognition dropped on February 1, 2016.

Was there a problem with out-of-state CHP holders carrying in Virginia that triggered the audit?

NO, of course not. CHP holders are the most law-abiding of America’s citizens.

Just like the McAuliffe’s state-agency gun ban, this isn’t about public safety at all. It is about vindictively attacking CHP holders, paying back Bloomberg for campaign donations, and coddling criminals and terrorists.

(Lest any of you forget how important it is to get to the polls, Mark Herring beat Mark Obenshain by only **165** votes with the help of Michael Bloomberg back in 2013. Because of those 165 votes, here we are.)


VIRGINIA CHP HOLDERS WILL BE ENDANGERED WHEN TRAVELING OUT OF STATE

This gutless attack on our rights also affects some of OUR NEIGHBORS: North Carolina, Tennessee, and Kentucky and will undoubtedly cost Virginia CHP holders the ability to carry in many states where we have been carrying for years!

It will be a while before we know the full extent of this treachery, but when we know, it will be disseminated on VA-ALERT.


Edited by Cash is King (12/22/15 07:26 AM)
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#985022 - 12/22/15 09:42 AM Re: HERE COMES GUN CONTROL [Re: Cash is King]
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Registered: 07/20/11
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City or County: Fauquier
I don't usually comment here but this has me seriously concerned that the Bloomberg/Obama/Clinton train is making another stop here in Virginia. The term BOHICA does not describe what Herring is attempting to do today. Not only are our rights as state residents under attack, so are those of our fellow countryman.

We The People need to stand united against the socialist politics that are being forced against us and return our Rights as provided under the Constitution.

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